Comments on: TR: Star Pass / Hunter Creek (31 July 2013) https://dev.14erskiers.com/2013/08/tr-star-pass-hunter-creek-31-july-2013/ Backcountry skiing, biking, hiking in Crested Butte, Colorado & beyond - Created by Brittany Konsella & Frank Konsella Mon, 26 Aug 2013 00:35:24 +0000 hourly 1 By: Frank https://dev.14erskiers.com/2013/08/tr-star-pass-hunter-creek-31-july-2013/#comment-5319 Mon, 26 Aug 2013 00:35:24 +0000 https://dev.14erskiers.com/?p=5775#comment-5319 In reply to Greg.

Sorry for the confusion, Greg. The closed trail is Hunter Hill. Glad you enjoy these posts, and it gives you ideas. I’m working on adding maps to many of the rides in the guide, so that should make some things clearer in the future, though I won’t be adding maps for the “adventure-style” rides. Nice work adding this after a 401 ride!

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By: Greg https://dev.14erskiers.com/2013/08/tr-star-pass-hunter-creek-31-july-2013/#comment-5318 Sun, 25 Aug 2013 23:56:10 +0000 https://dev.14erskiers.com/?p=5775#comment-5318 Damn, I read this ride report wrong. I just returned from CB and was looking forward to doing this ride. I hit 401 in the am and then parked at Deadmans after a brief refuel at Camp4. Cement Creek trail was fun and my memory failed me when I looked at the map and thought the trail went UP Hunter Creek. I knew something was wrong when I saw the ‘are closed for reclaimation’ sign on the trail that I thought would be my downhill rip. After a bit of hike a bike with some short peddaling I hit the Double Top trail and contemplated going that way or over to Block and Tackle. Needleess to say I was a bit spent (need more fitness) and didn’t want any more elevation so I just ripped down from there. Now that I am home and looked over the report again I am going to give it a go when I head back over Labor Day. Thanks for all your posts, gives me goals.

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By: Frank https://dev.14erskiers.com/2013/08/tr-star-pass-hunter-creek-31-july-2013/#comment-5286 Sat, 24 Aug 2013 14:41:12 +0000 https://dev.14erskiers.com/?p=5775#comment-5286 In reply to Marisa Silverman.

OK, Marisa, where to start? First off, remember that 583/Crystal Peak is CLOSED to motorized use, and the disregard for that closure is one of our main concerns. Secondly, and I cannot state this clearly enough, please stop spreading the complete falsehood that dirtbikes built the local trails. They did not. Please, learn some local history. Buy a book. Then you’ll know that the trail system was largely built during the Depression thanks to the efforts of the Civilian Conservation Corps.

Reno Flag Bear is overused, I’ll give you that. But you should have seen it in the days when dirtbikes would go UP it. Which brings me to one of the core reasons for having my mountain bike guide. Overuse is overuse, no matter what the mode of transportation (just as you suggest in the Maroon Bells). Do a quick thought experiment. Let’s say there are 100 mountain bikers, but they only know two trails, and ride them every day. Now let’s say that there are 100 known trails, so each of those trails is ridden by just one rider per day. Don’t you see that spreading riders out is a GOOD thing for the trails?

Finally, may I suggest a road trip for you? Check out the Colorado Trail and connections from Molas Pass to Durango. While this area is similar to Star Pass and Doubletop in elevation, soil, and precipitation, the trails are completely different. Why? Dirtbikes are allowed in one place, but not the other. Dirtbikes have their place, but it’s not everywhere. If you think that cinder blocks are a great riding surface in the high country, well, there’s not much more I can say to you.

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By: Marisa Silverman https://dev.14erskiers.com/2013/08/tr-star-pass-hunter-creek-31-july-2013/#comment-5273 Sat, 24 Aug 2013 04:33:36 +0000 https://dev.14erskiers.com/?p=5775#comment-5273 Frank, all these trails you LOVE were made bike dirt bikes over 30 years ago. If you try and take a different viewpoint you would realize that by sheer numbers, mountain bikers are damaging trails more than dirt bikes(except for the Colorado 500 which should be banned) I have personally been riding the Taylor park area since 1999 and since the explosion of social media and blogs and web-sites like yours the number of mountain bikers in the area are overwhelming. Sure you don’t use motors but you do as much damage as dirt bikes if not more. Take for example the Flag-bear-deadman-29 turns loop, which has been so braided and over used by mountain bikers it’s like a 4 track now! Mountain bikers don’t have the suspension to ride over big rocks and whoops and ruts so they go around. I am speaking form experience, I started racing mountain bikes in 1991 and still ride 2-3 times a week. I hate big drops a deep mud-holes sometimes you have to go around if you don’t want to get off your bike and as you and I both know we hate to put a foot down.

All i’m saying here is be fair minded and STOP advertising every single tail you ride, it hurts our trail system and we will all be shut out. Let’s share the trails, Frank.

Be safe , have fun and don’t do Face-Book

P.S. if you ever wanna see what damage those blessed hikers can do just look at Maroon Bells where bus-loads are let off by the hour to trample the beauty.

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By: Frank https://dev.14erskiers.com/2013/08/tr-star-pass-hunter-creek-31-july-2013/#comment-4990 Mon, 12 Aug 2013 19:33:28 +0000 https://dev.14erskiers.com/?p=5775#comment-4990 A quick trails update.
1- Snodgrass is now closed for the season

2- The cows are out on Cement Creek, and with all the recent rains, conditions have been described as “exceedingly bumpy”. Meanwhile, on 583 (Crystal), motorized users continue to disregard the closure, and the trail is chewed up once again. If you are a motorized user, please respect the closure. Hunter Creek was likewise described as “chewed up”, although Motorized users are allowed on that trail.

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